Question About Upgrading

  • I know that I may sound very stupid but I have 2 qeustions. The first pertains to upgrading. I took the Grade 8 Entry Level Class here in New Jersey in September of 2002 and passed. I had been reffing recreation soccer for about 2 years before I took the test and continued to ref the recreation soccer from September through November after I passed the test. In addition, I had refereed competitive soccer games from September through November of last year. Is there a certain numbe rof games that you have to referee before you can move up to Grade 7? Is there someone that I can call to tell them that I want to upgrade. How does the process work? I am 17 right now and would like to one day move up to the nationals. My second question had to do with certification. I was ceritfied by the course in September. I had paid the dues and got the bade which says 2003 on it. Do I have to recertify for this year immediately, or can I wait until September to pay the registration fees? Who would I contact about sending in the money? Once again, I am sorry about the stupid questions but I figured better safe than sorry and I am new and don't know how it works. Thanks in advance.


  • Originally posted by Law 5
    Depending on the state's organization, Rec games can count.

    For instance, all games sanctioned by CSYSA (CO State Youth Soccer Assoc.) (Rec, Rec+, Comp.) are all sanctioned by USSF so they all count. Yes, I said many wouldn't -- it all depends upon if the rec league bothers to get USSF certified. Some rec leagues are AYSO or SAY and others are unaffiliated.
    Originally posted by Law 5
    Also, Duals, Ironmans, etc. don't count, only DSC. Here in CO that rules out most all JV HS games (they use Duals).
    The HS games wouldn't count anyway, would they?

    Out here we use DSC for HS games, but they don't count because they're NFHS sanctioned games, not USSF. Same for NISOA (College) -- they don't count toward upgrades either.


  • Originally posted by kevbrunton
    The HS games wouldn't count anyway, would they?

    Out here we use DSC for HS games, but they don't count because they're NFHS sanctioned games, not USSF. Same for NISOA (College) -- they don't count toward upgrades either.

    Opps! You're right, sorry! Temporary Brain Fart! Back to our regularly scheduled programming!

    Cheers


  • Typical requirements are as follows:

    17 years of age
    75 center, 25 AR on any USSF game
    1 year of service in Grade 8
    pass physical fitness test
    pass entry-level exam with 85 or higher

    Check with your district director of instruction for where you live, he can provide you with more information.


  • To add to a lot of good advice, upgrading has basic requirements, and some "local" requirements if not ITOOSDA ("in the opinion of the SDA"). As Law 5 points out, it's not just quantity of your game count, but the "quality" as well. Those rec games won't count for much when you ask to be assigned an assessor. The SDA can deny your assessment if you have the game count, but not the experience. They might "take your money" and let you learn the hard way but being prepared is key, and with the short availability of assessors, they want to use them effectively. So as everyone suggets, get that game experience, and get it on the higher levels. No league wants their teams used as a "testing ground" for referees that haven't had experience at this level. There are leagues here that forbid assessments for referees on their games unless the referees had done at least six games for this league. No really fair, but you can understand their rationale.

    Also as assessor, I see a lot of candidates that aren't ready for this level, both in appearance, conduct, or experience. Usually you pass/fail in the first part of the game or the last. How you use your ARs is key.


  • I don't know how it is in New Jersey, but in Indiana, in addition to the criteria mentioned by Stateman, we also have to have 3 assessments -- 2 in Center and 1 as AR. All have to be full length games (which generally means U17 or above).

    So to begin with start getting as many travel and select games as you can. The only games that count in the totals quoted by States are USSF games. Many (or at least some) recreational games don't count.

    Keep a good log of all the games you've worked. Record the teams that played, the league, the date, location, final score and who worked the games with you. This will serve as a good record to prove the number of games that you've worked.

    If you walk into your upgrade class with this type of record, nobody's going to dispute that you did that many games.

    Finally, take any assessments that are offered -- even if they're not official assessments. Frequently when you work at tournaments there are guys there that are doing assessments. If you're in that situation, sign up for the assessments.

    Good luck and MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL -- Have Fun!


  • Originally posted by Keith
    To add to a lot of good advice, upgrading has basic requirements, and some "local" requirements if not ITOOSDA ("in the opinion of the SDA"). As Law 5 points out, it's not just quantity of your game count, but the "quality" as well. Those rec games won't count for much when you ask to be assigned an assessor. The SDA can deny your assessment if you have the game count, but not the experience. They might "take your money" and let you learn the hard way but being prepared is key, and with the short availability of assessors, they want to use them effectively. So as everyone suggets, get that game experience, and get it on the higher levels. No league wants their teams used as a "testing ground" for referees that haven't had experience at this level. There are leagues here that forbid assessments for referees on their games unless the referees had done at least six games for this league. No really fair, but you can understand their rationale.

    Also as assessor, I see a lot of candidates that aren't ready for this level, both in appearance, conduct, or experience. Usually you pass/fail in the first part of the game or the last. How you use your ARs is key.
    Interesting that you have the leagues involved in colorado. In every assessment I have been involved in (about 10) the players had no idea that assessor was even there.


  • Check the Referee Administrative Handbook (http://www.ussoccer.com/referees/default.sps?iType=220&icustompageid=125). You can download the .pdf from US Soccer if you did not get one when you registered.

    Statesman has most of the requirements right, leaving out "Pass one evaluation as referee in an Under-19 or higher level game employing the DSC." (Yes, U17 suffices.)

    kevbrunton's statement about assessments comes from the USSF criteria for upgrade to Grade 6, not Grade 7. Heaven help you to find an assesor to get one annual assessment, much less three.

    Do begin keeping a log of games. In all honesty, the log and game count are not that big a deal going from 8 to 7, however you'll never get to 6 without it.MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL -- Have Fun!Amen.

    When I first started ref'ing I'd walk away from the U14 and U12 games smiling to myself, "I can't believe that they pay me to have this much fun." Then I did a few B19 matches and walked away shaking my head thinking, "You couldn't pay me enough money to do this if it wasn't such fun." ;)


  • I had paid the dues and got the badge which says 2003 on it. Do I have to recertify for this year immediately, or can I wait until September to pay the registration fees?No, you do not have to recertify this year. You are registered for the 2003 soccer year. Expect a 2004 registration letter around August/September of this year.

    However, I would encourage you to attend a recertification clinic this winter, if possible. The topics covered will be useful and the chance to meet with advanced instructors and other referees is priceless. Here in Massachusetts the re-cert clinics are free with the registration forms and fees collected at the end, so it costs nothing to "audit".


  • Depending on the state's organization, Rec games can count.

    For instance, all games sanctioned by CSYSA (CO State Youth Soccer Assoc.) (Rec, Rec+, Comp.) are all sanctioned by USSF so they all count. Usually, the SDA doesn't worry too much about the upgrade requirements from Gr 8 to Gr 7. That doesn't mean they don't care, they just may not require a detailed game report for all games. (Keep a copy of each of your game reports) But when you want to go from Gr 7 to Gr 6, you better have all the i's dotted and t's crossed. All of your U-little's/U-middle's don't count, you can only count the U-17's and up. Also, Duals, Ironmans, etc. don't count, only DSC. Here in CO that rules out most all JV HS games (they use Duals).

    Go to www.coreferees.org and look at the Assesment link. You will find PDF files that you can download for upgrade requirements. This is, of course, for CO but will probably be very similar to your requirements.

    Regarding your badge, you are certified for 2003, enjoy. Usually, when you certify late in the year (Aug - Dec) they will grant you a badge for the following year. Think of it as a bonus! ;-) You will have to recertify at the end of the year (2003) for 2004.

    Happy Whistling!







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